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October 23, 2008

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Bill G

Bill:

I want you to know that this counts among the ten blog posts I have ever read. And this is for sure the first blog I have ever responded to. I don't blog and don't twitter, facebook or anything else...but this came to me from someone so i thought i should respond.

I am doing so because I feel moved by your questions and a little disturbed by them. Moved because I think established churches--ones you felt were not addressed by tuesday's gathering--are struggling. I see that and love that you are willing to stand up for the power that their ministry has to offer communities. I agree. There is much there to bless and there is much there to love. But we shouldn't be tempted to say that 'new ministries' have advantages over established congregations.

The fact is that--when bsm began 3+ years ago--we started with no-one, no money and no direction--except faith that God would move us. BSM began with an articulated vision and 8k and conviction. The presbytery was against it and many (most?) worked to frustrate its efforts. The congregations you mention have been singing and praying and loving each other for decades (centuries?) and only now--facing extinction in some cases--are they beginning to look outside their own communities to see who would care if they failed or disappeared. No resistance from executing on what scripture (God?) calls them to be and become...except unwillingness in most cases--to be the church for their context rather than the church for the people who come on Sunday.

Being a new community--you cannot afford to do ministry, pursue the kingdom in a vaccuum. you need your context--it feeds you, it informs you, it rebuffs you, it convicts you. The churches with history have a deeper investment in their context and a richer history to draw from within that context and an in the case of at least one church you mentioned--powerful people who are part of the establishment, and an endowment, and a much nicer kitchen than the one at BSM--and yet all they see are deficits...and scarcity and a supposed inability to engage with that context. Frankly, how is that possible? Our theological tradition demands it and yet we would rather just do church with ourselves...in most cases

How is it that BSM with no money and no full-time staff for its first three years serve up meals for EVERYONE after every worship service...because it is what is called forth in the gospel. All churches don't need to do that and then tend to the things that come out of those conversations in the way we have but I have to challenge you a bit...every church in this presbytery was (3 years ago) better able and in a better position to do extravagant ministry than we were...so why is it do you think that there is so little to jump up and down about in our common life? The challenge before us is pastoral imagination and courage. If we don't care, if we won't risk if we won't try--who will risk, care or try>? I see chances for these communities that have rich histories (even if they are small and have little resources-at least if that is what they think presently) to be radical--they have nothing to lose when they face extinction...they could (as our book of order says) risk their very life in order to pursue faithful ministry rather than be obsessed with increased membership, revenue, and being the church as they are in perpetuity.

Change is part of the nature of God and it is the leadership of the church--clergy and lay--who need to be defining always what it means to be the church in the here and now...rather than attempting always to re-create what was or tinker with/perfect what is. I like the way you write and think and hope that we can continue to dialogue

Bruce Reyes-Chow

Bill #1 ;-) Thanks. I think that you have hit on some good points and push back. I am not sure that the format of the evening would have been able to get at some of your questions, which in someways I do agree. I think the very nature of communities that will move the particular communities into relationship with the WHOLE community has to be indeed be about "Communication. Openness. Creativity." but that is going to look different in each place, so trying to communicate that in a way that the breadth of the BSM crowd could genuinely here would be difficult. But . . . it is good to get some push back in order to better article and understand the goods and bads of how I am in ministry. thanks.

And Bill #2 - Good for you, getting all bloggy ;-)

Byron Wade

Bill #1 - Thanks for your post. Sorry for being a Johnny-come-lately but I ran across this and wanted to fill you in on my ministry context.

Unlike Mission Bay CC or Broad Street Ministry, I serve a traditional-style African-American Presbyterian Church that has been in existence for 140 years. Back in its heyday (1930's - 1960's) it was one of the few African-American "silk-stocking" churches in which the the highly educated, elite were members. Doctors, lawyers, politicians, educators. They had wonderful music programs that filled the sanctuary. Had a growing Sunday School and outreach programs. Like most other Protestant church in the 60's and 70's they lost focus and membership. I followed a pastor who was there for 22 1/2 years and the church was ready to move in a different direction.

We are in a mode of transformation and vitalization. In short we are re-visioning ourselves as to how we can become a vital congregation that is true to the Word of God and how do we live this out in today's culture. I do have to say that what we have done is all through the hopes and dreams of what the members believe we should be about in responding to the needs of the community. We began to talk to local community leaders about the local needs and tried to respond. We had an Alcohol Anonymous program, afterschool program and currently have a food pantry. As a part of my DMin. thesis, we have redesigned our sessional committees and instituted ministry teams which is a better fit for our congregation. We have even instituted a Alternative worship service that we hold instead of our traditional worship service from time to time. Of course we have had our battles and disagreements but at the end of the day we believe that God has led us thus far. So I would say that the congregation I serve is like the 98% of churches that you speak of. We are a congregation that is developing a new vision to do new things. Hope this helps!

Have a blessed Christmas and a Happy New Year!

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